Banned from TAV

For reposting comments by Whiteman and for supporting Mr. Shearer, I have been banned. Though, I was assured no one was banned for disagreeing (per Whiteman).

I think we can see hostility and tendencies to act like despots with some over at TAV .

Well, I still await contact from TZ1











UPDATE+++++++

Back on. I have given assurances my goal is not to disrupt, nor cause nefarious schemes. We will see, as I inject MY opinions and views.

UPDATE 8/24/06+++

Well, apparently I have now been permantly banned by the Whiteman-an attorney that apparently is soo busy read in into my psots I have to wonder when he actually does any lawyer work. Besides his heretical slide, I am sure his folks are proad of that waste of college tuition for law school. His comments in red, my in green:

For the record, I do not believe TAV is obligated to give reasons for bannings. There is no "due process" within a privately run, albeit public forum.

Ok, I agree, though others are debating intensly and are not declared Calcinsts. Oddly, only Mormons and Catholics are harrased, with TAV on them "like white on rice" as Whiteman states. Others continue to argue different theology points, etc.

Our reasons for existence are clear, to comment on "secular" things from a Reformed perspective. Within that mission, those who disagree are welcome to participate, but not to confront, insult and impute motive to the TAV members or moderators.

This coming from a guy that has less then charitable comments about others, including implying a delight in Bill Shearer's death and calling Mormons "fetishers" and "devil worshippers"?? So, moderators I guess are beyond question in their actions, words or ask them for statements? Guess so, only others have "motives", only other sare allowed to "insult" by calling them to repent and believe in Christ (though they are professed Christians). Again, when TAV was started, it was NOT a proclaimed Reformed site, but an outgrowth of Peroutka2004. By osmosis, I guess we should have known better. Then again, Calvin-though declared fallible-is also not to be questioned. Rather like Muslims, eh?

CatholicResistence posted way too many comments in way too many threads, dipping into everything but getting to the bottom of nothing. There is no comment-max, but when the Moderators spend all their time culling through the garbage just to find one good bit of food, it is not a productive use of our time.

Well, my crime is to comment on more than-what, 1 or 2 topics? WHo says my comments were garbage, what is the standard? Further, many times I asked honest questions and used scripture to explain a position. Further, as we see, WHiteman appparently has all the time and little lawyer-ing to do. Then again, he is employee of Peroutka, so maybe he is allowed to be a full time moderator. My assessment stands of him, having read, listended to and watched him in action. He is a weasel.

Further, the purpose CatholicResistence was present was clearly not to converse with the forum members, rather assert his opinion over and against the stated beliefs of the forum managers, Reformed Christianity. CatholicResistence still has a right to use a soapbox, but will not be guilt-compelled into believing that we have to provide it for him.

Yes, I did converse with others on forum. Plenty of times without any disagreement or harsh words. I was told by Whiteman early on it was not a site for meek and mild-how did he say it? More wild west? Well, you can find the comments, I have not his time to waste. Again, we have Calvinism at its finest, your views are subordinate to Calvin. Makes ya wonder what New England and Geneva were like. Whiteman states a virtual utopia, more like USSR. No, there is nothing "clear" as I stated my views and did not openly refute Calvin (heavens forbid).


http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10241#post10241


oh and BTW-why would he ban me one day, but day or 2 previous, send me a note telling me that I should substantiate complaints. He sent me a email telling me that I had this message at TAV address. Rather possessed I think. Then, that is what happens to the heretic, no?


+++UPDATED 9/20/06+++++

CR: What is a pergatoried puss, heretic??
IF I was a Calvinist, I could look forward to looking over the ledge and watch you in Hell, but luckily-for you and me-we are always prayerful, even of heretics that they see Truth. That is why we are happy and you Calvin-lovers are so damned negative and miserable.

Webmaster wrote:
And I will boot/bash/ban/can you each and every time you poke yer pergatoried puss in here...

On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:32 AM, John Chance wrote:
..I tried to be nice, the gloves are off. And yes, I have many email addresses and will find a way to come back to TAV if and when I feel like it.

This forum was set up to discuss the American View. We claim there is one, and it is rooted in Orthodox Christianity. All who so agree are welcome to consider this forum their own, and even to have differing conclusions on certain matters. But for those who disagree, or contest that we are the American View, you are welcome to participate, but this forum will never be yours, and you are apt to not feel too welcome either.

Enjoy your stay,Jeff Butler(chatterbox)The American View Webmaster

All are welcome? I thought you were Reformed?? Most that are not are routinely harrased and attacked. You last statement contrast with your first few that "all are welcome"

'Orthodox" Christianity? that is humorous, if not so sad. I do wonder, why does Peroutka not descend for his throne at TAV and answer critics, w/o that piece of garbage weasal Whiteman running interference.

I have tried to be polite-yet a fallen, or to you, depraved being. That was answered with Whiteman being "on to me" and on me "like white on Rice". I have tried to honestly question and learn from others there. This too has been met with Calvinistic arrogance and attacks. No wonder many of the Founders-who did have the American View I dare say-denounced you all.

Check my blog occasionally, will be doing some work on the Effiminate Calvin, even citing other Prots sources. I tried to be nice, the gloves are off. And yes, I have many email addresses and will find a way to come back to TAV if and when I feel like it.

You all are good at making enemies of former friends. I think we can pretty much write-off Peroutka as ever having a chance at dog catcher, let alone higher. For the record, I did vote for him and give a donation. That was then. Think on this:

Dr. Jones,

In "Degenerate Moderns" you prove modernity is rationalized sexual desire. You make Luther the first modern man, but you forgot one important figure in your book and articles. John Calvin deserved to be in your chapter on Luther in DM, for he was the co-founder of modernity. And he was, like all the other reformers, sexually disordered. According to St. Alphonsus M. Liguori. Calvin "was addicted to immorality. at all events in his youth, and Spondanus says, he was charged even with an unnamable offense, and Bolsec even says in his life of him, that he was comdemned to death for it in Noyon. but that. through the intercession of the bishop, the punishment was changed to branding with a ret-hot iron. Varillas says that in the registry of Noyon a leaf is marked with this condemnation, but without mentioning the offense, but Noel Alexander says positively, that both the certificate of the condemnation and the offense was preserved in Noyon' and it was shown to and read by, Berteler, SEcretary to the Republic of Geneva, sent on purpose to verify the fact. Cardinal Gotti says, that when he taught Greek in Angouleme rhe same charge was brought against him by his schlars, and he was condemned there likewise. Ligouri then says, " Such are the virtues attributed to the pretended Reformers of the Church." ( Ligouri, The History of Heresies & Their Refutation St.Athanasius Press, 133 Slazing Rd., Potosi, WI 53820 1-800-230-1025 http://www.stathanasiuspress.com\) It is oblivious the "unnamed offense" is sodomy.

Bolsec, who was a Carmelite monk who turned Protestant, but later returned to the faith, says in his "Historie" that Calvin was a sodomite. His book is only available as used in the original langauge. But if you can't find it at the Notre Dame library, Bookfinder.Com has several copies listed. I hope you consider this worth looking into,

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/woudstra.htm


One more Protestant speaks out:

The following are quotes from John Calvin, each followed by an explanation of what he was saying. You will find that what he was saying cannot be explained in any other logical way. John Calvin was an unregenerate man when he made these statements. Those "converts" from Roman Catholicism who believed what he said about the atonement were doing nothing more than going from the Roman Catholic Whore Church into the Protestant Whore Church. They were just going from wicked Roman Catholic universal atonement to wicked Protestant universal atonement, from being lost Roman Catholics to being lost Protestants.

HETERODOXY HALL OF SHAME

"And, indeed, in the Second Epistle of Peter, Christ alone is mentioned, and there he is called Lord. But He means that Christ is denied, when they who had been redeemed by his blood, become again the vassals of the Devil, and thus render void as far as they can that incomparable price." [Commentary on Jude 4]

Calvin is here saying that some of those who were redeemed by the blood of Christ go back to being vassals of the Devil. [These people that Calvin believed were redeemed by the blood of Christ are described in 2 Peter 2 as false teachers who bring in damnable heresies (v. 1), made to be taken and destroyed, who shall utterly perish in their own corruption (v. 12), and cursed children (v. 14), among other things.]

"Also we ought to have good care of those that have been redeemed with the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. If we see souls which have been so precious to God go to perdition, and we make nothing of it, that is to despise the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ." [Sermon on Ephesians 5:11-14]

Calvin is here saying that souls that go to perdition are precious to God, because they have been redeemed with the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

"The four reasons, whereby Paul doth carefully prick forward the pastors to do their duty diligently, because the Lord hath given no small pledge of his love toward the Church in shedding his own blood for it. Whereby it appeareth how precious it is to him; and surely there is nothing which ought more vehemently to urge pastors to do their duty joyfully, than if they consider that the price of the blood of Christ is committed to them. For hereupon it followeth, that unless they take pains in the Church, the lost souls are not only imputed to them, but they be also guilty of sacrilege, because they have profaned the holy blood of the Son of God, and have made the redemption gotten by him to be of none effect, so much as in them lieth. And this is a most cruel offense, if, through our sluggishness, the death of Christ do not only become vile or base, but the fruit thereof be also abolished and perish ..." [Commentary on Acts 20:28]
Calvin is here saying that the lost souls within the church are part of the redemption gotten by Christ, and the fruit of the death of Christ is abolished and perishes when the pastors do not do their duty.

"He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God's benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him." [Commentary on Romans 5:18]

Calvin is here saying that although Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, yet all do not receive Him. If he had just said, "Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world," we could have considered the possibility that he could have meant "the whole world of the Jews and Gentiles" or "the whole world of the elect" and not everyone without exception. But he goes on to say that "all do not receive him," which means that he believed that Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, including all who do not receive him.

"True it is that the effect of His death comes not to the whole world. Nevertheless, forasmuch as it is not in us to discern between the righteous and the sinners that go to destruction, but that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion as well for them as for us, therefore it behoves us to labour to bring every man to salvation, that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ may be available to them ..." [Sermon CXVI on the Book of Job (31:29-32)]

Calvin is here saying that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion for the righteous as well as the sinners that go to destruction. (Note also that Calvin used the term "whole world" to mean everyone without exception.)

"The word many is not put definitely for a fixed number, but for a large number; for he contrasts himself with all others. And in this sense it is used in Romans 5:15, where Paul does not speak of any part of men, but embraces the whole human race." [Commentary on Matthew 20:28]

Calvin is here saying that in Matthew 20:28, the "many" for whom Christ was given as a ransom is not talking about any part of the human race but the whole human race. If he had just said that Christ is a ransom for the whole human race, we might be able to consider the possibility that he did not mean everyone without exception. But he contrasts "part" and "whole," obviously meaning that he believed that Christ was given as a ransom for the whole human race as opposed to just part of the human race.

After finding these quotes, we obviously could not call ourselves Calvinists (although we had already stopped calling ourselves Calvinists before finding these quotes), since we do not believe what Calvin believed regarding the essential gospel doctrine of the efficacious atonement of Jesus Christ. Calvin did not believe that the work of Christ secures the salvation of all whom He represented. He did not believe that the work of Christ alone is what makes the only difference between salvation and damnation.

We hope that this article will make others think about what names they attach to themselves, now that the real meaning of some of these names has been put forth. We are not "Reformed." We are not "Calvinists." We are followers of Christ - the true Christ whose atoning blood and imputed righteousness is the only ground of our salvation.
(http://www.outsidethecamp.org/norefcal.htm)


Do a search on my old site at manic fish, there is agood and thourough article proving the Calvin's warped views came from his warped sodomite mind. The queers infiltrating the Catholic Church today are just following in his steps.

Chomp on that heretic.